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 Post subject: stud farm?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:58 pm 
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Hi all

me and the other half were talking about breeding clive'et when she gets older.

but dont want to have to buy another viv set up for the male, and another for the babies ect.

so is there such a thing as stud farms for dragons? like thay do with hourses and dogs ect.

my mate breed his dog (bitch) with a male stud dog for half the litter when she had puppies (the boy dogs owner was a pro breeder who wanted puppies for breeding stock)

just curious


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 Post subject: Re: stud farm?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:01 pm 
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Think very long and hard before breeding bearded dragons. They are massively overbred. You only have to go on the preloved website to find a massive amout of bearded dragons needing new homes because their owners have got sick of them.

My female bearded dragon has been rescued from a situation with a male dragon in the same viv and used for breeding. She has laid 71 fertilised eggs in the space of three months as she's triple clutched. She has lost massive amounts of weight, she's skin and bones and has a very reduced immune system and an infection due to how much laying the eggs has taken out of her. Breeding bearded dragons takes a lot out of your female pet and affects their own health.

Would you be able to sell 71 bearded dragons? What if you couldn't sell them? What would you do with that many?

Breeding bearded dragons is a massive commitment. Can you ensure you could incubate, care for, feed three times a day and send out 71 bearded dragon babies to good homes? With the amount of people that can't look after them properly. Condeming a bearded dragon to a life of neglect and misery?

It's your choice but I would strongly discourage it. There are well more than enough unwanted bearded dragons in the UK without increasing the problem.


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 Post subject: Re: stud farm?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:46 pm 
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Nidz - you put it so well there is nothing more I can add!

Except to say I've breed them (or rather, they bred :lol: ) and it was really good fun raising the babies. But the set ups for the babies, and the food for the two clutches (37 hatchlings in all) set me back about £1,200! We didn't do it for the money, so that was okay, but I'd advise anyone else to go in with your eyes open knowing how much it's all going to cost.

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 Post subject: Re: stud farm?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:41 pm 
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ive read all the info on here and i dont want to put her through stress but it is a natural thing for them to do.

im not going to do it for the money and if i do go ahead and breed her i might freeze half hatch half. and only breed from her the once i know that thay can have multi clutches but only mate her the once.

at this moment im not in a postion to outlay £1000+ raising babys but maybe in 1 - 2 years or so.

i think it might be nice for my daughter, who will six buy then, to learn about development ect.

but if its not practical and im not 100% comited and or ready it wont hapen.

the reason i was asking about studding is if the males owner would like to breed him and take half the babys as say payment.
i was just thinking aloud realy.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:07 am 
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You probably wouldn't have any problems finding someone with a male who would be prepared to loan him out for a couple of days, you do need to think about any health risks and satisfy yourself that the male has no diseases. As a "one off" and freezing most of the eggs this would work and we can advise you as you work through the idea, but even if you only retained 5 babies you would find it quite intensive work. Do think seriously about this and take your time over making the decision - once you are prepared to go ahead we can advise in greater depth.

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 Post subject: Re: stud farm?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:44 am 
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It is true , it is natural. However, bearded dragons live a lot longer in captivity than they do in the wild.
3-5 year life expectancy in the wild
10 years in captivity
Treatment options are available for captive beardies that wild ones won't have, i.e antibiotics for immunocomprimised bearded dragons etc.

I'd fully expect that if my beardie was in the wild in her current situation, she may have died.


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 Post subject: Re: stud farm?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:18 am 
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Just to add to this post...our dragon, Syd, became egg bound with a batch of infertile eggs. She only lay two eggs and it was apparent (after multiple vists to the vet) that she wasn't going to lay any more eggs.

So Syd had to have a big operation to remove her eggs and ovaries. With all the vet visits and the op, we paid out £750.

Female dragons can become egg bound and it's something to be aware of. Syd had to be nursed back to health for a good month before she was back to normal. It's a risky operation too and obviously stressful for your dragon. I just wanted to let you know the cost etc.


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 Post subject: Re: stud farm?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:35 pm 
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Ive got her insured yesterday

asked about if she gets egg bound ect and she will be coverd under the policy as we have the cats on the same policy.

£19.50 pm for all 3 on a life long gold policy so if one of them gets an illness like Diabeties ect they are coverd for it.
£50 excess and the vet we are with also specialise in reptiles (just moved vets) and dosent charge extra for for them like some vets do (our old one wanted £8.50 extra ontop of the consultation free)

Its still a pipe dream at the moment and im not going to go into it half cocked if we do it at all.

im just glad that im a member of a caring forum where all the members are helpfull and not sarcastic or patronising.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:59 am 
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If/when you do go ahead I'd suggest that you only incubate 5 eggs - this is the optimum number that you can raise easily and safely in one viv. I have a spare 4ft viv in any case for use as a hospital enclosure if ever needed so purchasing/building a second 4ft wouldn't really be a waste of money. Your other consideration is time, even with only five babies, cleaning and 3 x daily feeds do muck your day up and of course no holidays for the period of time between hatching and sale of the last one (other than the one that's so cute you have to keep him daddy :lol: ) If you want more info. pm me and I'll tell you all I can.

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